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  LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :EXPECT SUDDEN CHANGES: JEFFREY JACKSON

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.

  well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.

  attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with

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  @BluesBrother, you're welcome!

  There is a disgruntled exjw elder that is down voting us whatever we say, watch out for the negative feedback😀
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  NEW LIGHT ON THE 144,000 EXPLAINED

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/heulwyd00ku?si=9az0zrsquy67v74g.

  the watchtower’s approach to "new light" is, frankly, a masterclass in manipulation.

  when they introduce a new interpretation or change their teachings, it's presented as a revelation, showcasing just how guided and spiritually in-tune the governing body is.

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  https://youtu.be/heUlwYd00kU?si=9AZ0zrsquY67v74G

  The Watchtower’s approach to "new light" is, frankly, a masterclass in manipulation. When they introduce a new interpretation or change their teachings, it's presented as a revelation, showcasing just how guided and spiritually in-tune the Governing Body is. But when one of their long-standing interpretations proves wrong or doesn’t hold up, the blame shifts. Suddenly, it’s not about them; it’s about the members who misunderstood. They masterfully turn the tables and make it seem like the fault lies with those who took their teachings at face value—a textbook example of gaslighting.

  Let’s break this down. For years, Jehovah’s Witnesses were told that the number of anointed ones—the 144,000 who partake of the emblems—would steadily decline. This was supposedly a key indicator that the end was near. The idea was that there would eventually be just a few elderly members left as proof that Armageddon was right around the corner. The expectation was crystal clear: keep an eye on the number of partakers, and when it shrinks to a handful of old men in wheelchairs, the end is just a breath away.

  But then something unexpected happened. Instead of the numbers going down, they started to go up. More people started partaking, and—wait for it—younger people were showing up among the partakers. That doesn’t fit with the long-touted narrative, does it? Instead of seeing the numbers dwindle, it seemed like there was suddenly an influx of new anointed ones. So, what does the Governing Body do when the reality contradicts their teachings? Do they admit they got it wrong? Of course not. Instead, they say, “Oh, did we say that the numbers would dwindle? Well, that’s not really the point.” They brush it off, making it seem like it was never the real issue and that the members simply misunderstood.

  To add to the fun, they even encourage the members to Google the ages of the newest Governing Body members. “Go ahead, look it up!” they say. And when you do, what do you find? Surprise—the new members are way too young to fit the previous narrative. But the Governing Body isn’t fazed. They claim that the Bible never said anything about the number of anointed ones dwindling down to just a few elderly people. No, what really matters, apparently, is that the Governing Body stays "active and vibrant" until the end. How convenient! By shifting the focus from the numbers to the vitality and activity of the Governing Body, they create a perfect excuse for appointing younger members.

  It’s a genius move, really. The Governing Body gets to appoint younger members and keep the leadership looking fresh and energetic. Meanwhile, they act as if this was the plan all along and that anyone who thought the numbers mattered simply misunderstood. It’s a win-win for them: they get to rewrite history and blame the members for believing what they were told to believe.

  This pattern isn’t new. The Governing Body’s strategy has always been to paint themselves as the enlightened channel of divine truth. When things go according to plan (or when they can make it look that way), they take full credit. They present their "new light" as evidence of how connected they are with God’s purpose. But when things don’t work out, they shift the narrative to make it seem like the members are the ones who misunderstood. "You thought the number of anointed ones was important? Oh no, that was never the point." And just like that, it’s your fault for focusing on the wrong thing, even though that’s exactly what they told you to focus on.

  By saying that Jehovah ensures the Governing Body remains "active and vibrant" until the end, they create a loophole for themselves. It’s no longer about the numbers; it’s about the organization’s ongoing activity and leadership. They can keep things going indefinitely this way, without ever having to confront the contradiction that the numbers of partakers don’t add up to their previous teachings. And they can continue to blame the members for any confusion or misunderstanding, washing their hands of responsibility.

  Here’s another twist: the Governing Body’s new narrative also subtly undermines the members’ ability to critically evaluate what they’ve been taught. Encouraging members to Google the ages of the new Governing Body members seems like they’re being transparent, but it’s just another way to control the narrative. When members find out that these new appointees are far younger than expected, they’re nudged into accepting the new explanation: it’s not about age or dwindling numbers; it’s about the work continuing. This keeps members in a state of compliance, accepting whatever new twist the Governing Body decides to introduce.

  But let’s be real: this approach is all about rewriting the rules as they go. They’ve positioned themselves in such a way that they can never be wrong. If the numbers don’t match their previous teachings, it’s because the members misunderstood, not because the Governing Body made a mistake. And when they appoint younger members, they’ve already set the stage to justify it. It’s a brilliant way to maintain control and avoid accountability.

  So, what about this so-called 144,000? The Watchtower has long emphasized this number as literal and fixed, creating a sense of urgency for members. But here’s the thing: according to the Bible, this group doesn’t even show up until the last 3 ½ years of human history, during the Great Tribulation. Revelation 7 and 14 describe the 144,000 as being chosen during that time—not decades or even centuries earlier. So, technically, none of the 144,000 have even been selected yet. The Watchtower’s focus on this number over the years has been a distraction, keeping members in suspense and using the figure as a signpost for the end. But scripturally, it doesn’t line up.

  This means all the emphasis on the number of partakers dwindling over the years, the cut-off dates like 1935, and the idea that seeing fewer anointed ones was a sign of the end—none of that ever had a biblical basis in the first place. It was just another way to maintain control and keep members invested in a narrative that suited the organization’s agenda. The truth is, if we’re following what Revelation actually says, the 144,000 haven’t even been chosen yet, and they won’t be until the final stretch of human history.

  In the end, it’s clear: when things go right for the Governing Body, it’s all about their insight and leadership. When things go wrong, they shift the blame, making it seem like it was the members who misunderstood. They’ve crafted a system where they can never be wrong, and any attempt to challenge them is met with a change in narrative that keeps them in control. It’s a classic case of gaslighting, and it’s designed to keep the members off balance and loyal, no matter how often the "light" changes.
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  LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :EXPECT SUDDEN CHANGES: JEFFREY JACKSON

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.

  well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.

  attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with

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  There will be 3 shorter videos on these changes starting tonight
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  LEAKED ANNUAL MEETING VIDEO :EXPECT SUDDEN CHANGES: JEFFREY JACKSON

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.

  well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.

  attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with

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  https://youtu.be/UXqQyrRFFOw?si=wO0jotyVJg76OLjK

  Well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother Jeffrey Jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother Jeff you have our

  attention well I'm sure we all agree
  with this fact in recent years there
  have been a lot of
  changes even since the last annual
  meeting there have been many changes
  some of them perhaps are a little
  surprising or may seem to be sudden but
  you know brothers and sisters when we
  look back on how these changes have come
  we can see that Jehovah has gradually
  prepared us for each of these
  adjustments and changes let's review
  some of the recent changes we've
  had what changes have we seen with
  regard to our understand understanding
  of Bible teachings at the 2021 annual
  meeting we received an adjusted
  understanding of John 529 it was
  explained that the resurrection of
  judgment will not be a judgment of
  condemnation rather it will be more like
  a period of
  probation the unrighteous mentioned at
  acts
  24:15 will have an opportunity to gain
  everlasting life but their names will
  not be written WR in The Book of Life at
  the time of their
  Resurrection to have their names
  eventually written in that book these
  ones will need to respond positively to
  the great educational work that will
  take place during the Thousand-Year
  Reign then at the annual meeting in
  2023 we gained enhanced insight into
  what we do know and what we don't know
  concerning Jehovah's
  judgments we learned that the door of
  opportunity for people to take a stand
  for the kingdom does not shut when the
  Great Tribulation starts with the
  destruction of false religion at that
  time perhaps some will be like the
  Egyptians in Moses day who took a last
  minute stand and joined the Exodus of
  God's
  people at the same annual meeting we
  adjusted our views with regard to
  Jehovah's judgments of those who died in
  the flood and those who were destroyed
  in Sodom and Gomorrah
  also at that annual meeting an
  adjustment was made regarding the
  reporting of our time and activity in
  our preaching work instead of focusing
  on reports we try to make good use of
  every opportunity to
  witness then we receive the 2024
  governing body update number
  two in that update we saw the need to
  adjust how we interact with those who
  have committed serious sins and have
  been removed from the congregation
  what other major adjustments have we
  recently seen in our preaching work the
  emphasis now is on studing Bible studies
  and making disciples not on Distributing
  literature to that end the focus is on
  studying meaningful
  conversations not just on using
  memorized
  presentations were you surprised by
  these adjustments perhaps so but as we
  look back we see how one adjustment in
  understanding gradually helped us with
  the next
  adjustment isn't it true that gradually
  Jehovah has prepared us and when we look
  back on it we see how logical this
  training has been to refine our
  understanding but events in the world
  likewise have
  changed it's true sometimes in the world
  you have sudden changes for example the
  pandemic
  but often times change in the world is
  gradual isn't it true with regard to the
  view of morality homosexuality
  abortion even what's acceptable and not
  acceptable with regard to conduct all of
  that has happened gradually in the world
  and it's not until you look back and see
  how different the world is today with
  regard to those matters that we see that
  there have been a lot of
  changes but this can be dangerous
  because as things gradually change we
  may get used to gradual change and
  forget that there are some sudden
  changes about to
  occur uh let's take our Bibles please
  and if you turn with me to the Book of
  Luke chap
  21 now this is an example of Sudden
  Change in Luke chap 21 uh notice there
  in verse 34 the words of our Lord Jesus
  are recorded and he said in verse 34 but
  pay attention to yourselves that your
  hearts never become weighed down with
  oving and heavy drinking and anxieties
  of life and
  suddenly
  suddenly that they be
  instantly
  instantly upon
  you it's interesting to note that Jesus
  had already said that this day he was
  referring to would occur at a time that
  we don't think is
  likely so what lesson do we learn from
  what Jesus said it's a warning isn't it
  that we can't just sit back and think
  well things are gradually going to
  develop we know which way it's going and
  maybe it's not going to happen yet you
  know got a little bit more wiggle room
  there with regard to the
  schedule but you see that's dangerous
  thinking now what we're going to do is
  consider two examples of areas where
  perhaps we could be a little guilty with
  regard to
  that for example our view as with regard
  to the number of anointed ones remaining
  on the earth now for many years what did
  we think
  we thought well that number would go
  down and down and down and down now I
  don't know about you but me I you when
  that report came out just how many how
  many
  partakers and and what were we thinking
  we
  probably you maybe we didn't say it but
  we were thinking you know the number
  will go down down down down and there'll
  be just a couple of old guys in a
  wheelchair who will get their reward
  well I'm exaggerating but that was sort
  of the feeling wasn't it but now what
  have we seen in recent
  years those numbers have gone up and
  up and not only that younger brothers
  have been appointed on the governing
  body now I know what you're all thinking
  two new ones how old are
  they we know you're not googling now
  but you will
  be but you see we need to be careful
  about what we're thinking with regard to
  the number of anointed ones left on
  Earth you see 19 years ago I was
  appointed on the governing body even I
  thought I was too
  young now they tell me I'm not so young
  anymore but do we see the point what
  does the bible actually tell us with
  regard to this well it doesn't say the
  number would just dwindle down to just
  having a few uh older ones left no the
  great crowd of other sheep will be
  judged on the basis of how they deal
  with Christ's brothers so that means the
  faithful and discreet slave as well as
  all the anointed throughout the Earth
  will continue to be active in doing the
  work and wanting and needing your
  support right up until the time that
  suddenly they will be
  reassigned and and isn't that what
  Matthew
  24:31 says there will be a gathering the
  final Gathering of the anointed from all
  different parts of the earth so for us
  to think well you know there's some new
  ones on the governing body they don't
  look too old um maybe we've got a little
  bit of extra time no Jehovah is making
  sure that that the faithful and discreet
  slave is continuing to work and is
  effective right up in that until that
  time of
  reassignment so that's one subject the
  second subject we'd like to talk about
  is our view with regard to the start of
  the Great Tribulation with the
  destruction of Babylon the
  great when we look through the
  scriptures in Revelation chapter 16 what
  does it tell us that the waters would
  gradually dry up
  yes churches are losing support in some
  countries for example Europe it wasn't
  that long ago that most nations in
  Europe were very
  religious but now people are turning
  their backs on
  religion but at the same time when we
  look at Africa and South America we see
  that religion still has a strong
  influence so now what could be that
  little voice in now mind saying well
  yeah we see it's it's going in the right
  direction but maybe not just yet we've
  got a little bit more time
  left but again we need to remember what
  the scriptures tell us and if you turn
  with me this time please to Revelation
  chap
  17 this is one of the chapters that
  describes the destruction of false
  religion or in other words when the
  Great Tribulation starts
  so let's read Revelation 17 and verse 17
  and note please what it tells
  us for God put it into their hearts to
  carry out his thought yes to carry out
  their one thought by giving that Kingdom
  to the wild beast until the words of God
  will have been
  accomplished now what is this one
  thought well up to now we've said the
  one thought is their desire to turn on
  false
  religion and we can understand that
  because the context is talking about the
  destruction of false religion but you
  see if you look back at that
  verse what is the one thought now this
  means we have to adjust our
  understanding another
  change what does it say the one thought
  refers to the Nations being willing to
  hand over power their political power to
  the Scarlet colored wild beast the
  United Nations let me repeat it cuz
  you're in shock now and you need to
  write this down okay the one thought
  refers to the Nations being willing to
  hand over power to the United
  Nations now why is that
  exciting well the fact that Nations will
  eventually turn on religion really isn't
  that surprising is it we gradually we've
  seen that happening we ah yes yeah we
  see which way it's
  going but what about Nations empowering
  the United Nations handing over their
  personal political power so the United
  Nations has more power it has teeth as
  it were at the moment it's like a
  teethless toothless uh organization
  isn't
  it that seems unbelievable no Nation
  does
  that but what is it that happens it is
  an act of god Jehovah puts that one
  thought into the minds of the
  Nations yes they will empower the United
  Nations so that the United Nations will
  be in a position to take action against
  false religion now this adjustment and
  understanding also means that we have to
  adjust our understanding of verses 12
  and 13 so if you're in Revelation 1
  please let's look at verses 12 and
  13 the 10 horns that you saw mean 10
  Kings who have not yet receive the
  kingdom but they do
  receive Authority as kings for one hour
  with the wild beast these have one
  thought so they give their power and
  authority to the wild
  beast so up to now we've assumed these
  10 Kings which represent all the
  political powers and governments in the
  world at the moment uh that they did
  this during the last days by supporting
  first of all the League of Nations and
  then the United Nations but now what do
  we understand this to be seeing we
  understand verse
  17 well there will come a time when all
  political powers on Earth which includes
  many who have never been part of the
  seven world
  powers they will see that they need to
  collectively pull their power by giving
  it to the United Nations to try and
  solve some of the problems in the world
  and they will rule notice what does it
  say for 1 hour just a short period of
  time so this newly empowered United
  Nations from that time on will rule
  collectively for a short time but it
  will enable them to destroy false
  religion and fight against Jesus and
  Jehovah's people now isn't that
  [Music]
  [Applause]
  exciting but now we're back to our
  subject again you you see gradually
  things happen so we might say well yes
  gradually I see Babylon the Great's
  losing influence in some places maybe
  not
  yet but don't expect that you'll see
  governments gradually wanting to give
  over power they don't want to do that it
  takes an act of
  god Jehovah will put it into their
  hearts this will occur with
  suddenness yes then the Great
  Tribulation will start a sudden change
  not something that happens gradually so
  what have we learned in our discussion
  well yes some things change gradually
  but brothers and sisters remember there
  are some sudden things that are about to
  occur let's remember the two things as a
  as a reminder first of all the remaining
  anointed Ones Will suddenly be taken to
  Heaven while they are still very
  active the second one Jehovah will
  suddenly move the Nations to give their
  political power to the United
  Nations so what's the
  takeaway don't be complacent don't think
  oh this is going to gradually change no
  some things won't gradually change they
  will occur suddenly as acts of God so be
  ready and don't don't be surprised by
  Sudden Change
  
  
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  THE PROBLEM WITH THESE 2 NEW GB MEMBERS APPOINTMENTS

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
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  https://youtu.be/rjr0ugtu6zu?si=d3zsz20ee33gytxi.

  these new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection.

  these appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.

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  Correct in 10 years from now they will be trying to convince us that 20 year old gb members are off the 144,000, what a scam
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  THE PROBLEM WITH THESE 2 NEW GB MEMBERS APPOINTMENTS

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/rjr0ugtu6zu?si=d3zsz20ee33gytxi.

  these new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection.

  these appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.

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  https://youtu.be/RJR0UGtu6zU?si=D3ZsZ20EE33gYTxi

  
  These new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection. These appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.
  First of all, they are too young to be part of the 144,000.
  The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses is made up of individuals considered to be part of the 144,000 "anointed" Christians, a group traditionally believed to include older, spiritually mature men with decades of service. However, Jedele and Rumph, who are both younger, challenge this long-held view. This raises the question: Are they really the best candidates for the Governing Body, given their age? Traditionally, the anointed were seen as individuals with ye.ars of spiritual experience and wisdom. If this qualification is being overlooked, it leads me to wonder whether the historical importance of being "anointed" is being redefined, and what that means for the future of the organization. While they are not dropping the 144,000 teaching yet, they are definitely watering it down, and I'll make a video on that soon.
  Secondly, these appointments bypass long-serving Governing Body helpers.
  One of the most surprising aspects of these appointments is that both brothers leapfrogged over several Governing Body helpers who have served for decades in their positions. Many of these long-serving helpers, with their vast experience and seniority, would have seemed the more likely option for the role. Yet, they were passed over in favor of much younger men. This decision raises serious concerns about the selection process and shows that there is no legitimate process. It's all about who you know, not how good you are at your job, which is what we have come to know at the local level in our respective congregations. This is why Jehovah’s Witnesses is a silly religion based on nepotism, where whoever is the greatest bully at the top appoints his mates to key positions of authority. Why were experienced brothers bypassed? Is there a shift happening within the leadership structure, where seniority and experience no longer hold the same value? This disregard for experience and dedication indicates, I believe, a power struggle within the organization, where a younger group of men is being strategically positioned to take over from the older, more established members. This shift indicates that a whole generation of experienced brothers, who have long been loyal to the organization, are being sidelined in favor of a younger, less accomplished group. This internal dynamic points to deeper tensions or changes in how power and influence are being handled at the top.
  Thirdly, there is definitely a replacement taking place of aging members like Gerrit Lösch, Stephen Lett, or David Splane, who was conspicuously missing from the program unless I missed him. Stephen Lett looks like he is going to drop dead any minute now. While it's normal for organizations to refresh their leadership, the gap in experience between the older members and their younger successors is vast. Lösch and Lett have been prominent figures for decades, playing crucial roles in shaping the doctrine and direction of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The decision to replace them with younger, less experienced individuals calls into question whether the leadership will continue to carry the same level of wisdom and understanding, which is already quite low as they have proven.
  The fourth and final observation is the lack of major achievements or qualifications.
  Perhaps one of the most puzzling aspects of these appointments is that neither Jedele nor Rumph seem to have the kind of significant achievements or qualifications that have typically marked previous Governing Body members. While they have served as helpers to the Service Committee, their roles appear relatively minor, with Rumph only starting his Bethel service as recently as 2020. This contrasts sharply with past appointees, who often had decades of proven leadership and tangible accomplishments. In most organizations, top leadership positions are awarded to those who have demonstrated a long track record of success and contribution, making these appointments seem even more unusual.
  Moreover, there is an increasing disregard for the fact that this is a worldwide organization. It is concerning that the past four appointments have all been white and USA-based, overlooking the global nature of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the organization truly represents a worldwide community, new appointments should reflect this diversity. Would it not make sense to have an African, Asian,European or South American appointment? This lack of geographical and cultural representation raises further questions about the inclusivity and global outlook of the organization's leadership and more evidence that this is an American religion or more accurately a United States religion.
  In conclusion, the appointment of these two Governing Body members has not only raised eyebrows but also highlighted what may be a power shift at the heart of Jehovah’s Witnesses’ headquarters. By bypassing more experienced and senior helpers, it appears that a younger generation of leaders is being positioned to take control, possibly indicating a struggle for influence within the leadership. At the same time, the lack of significant achievements or qualifications in these younger appointees raises questions about the future direction of the Governing Body. Are they truly ready to lead, or is this part of a larger internal strategy that values youth over experience? These are pressing concerns as the organization moves forward under new leadership.
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  Two new Governing Body members

  by slimboyfat in

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  jeddoly and rumph???.

  who are they?

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  WATCHTOWER WINS IN FRANCE AGAINST 🇫🇷 MIVILUDES

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/lkflr6sgyfm?si=j4gopnyfpy3wxnxs.

  in what can only be described as a win for truth, justice, and religious freedom (depending on who you ask ofcourse), the paris administrative court has come to the defense of jehovah’s witnesses.

  on june 14, 2024, the court ruled that miviludes, france’s government agency for monitoring cult-like behavior, had committed the heinous crime of defamation against jehovah’s witnesses.france unlike most other countries has an agency that monitors destructive cults and gets who is in their list: jehovah’s witnesses, i wonder why that is.

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  https://youtu.be/LkFLR6SgyfM?si=j4GoPNYFPY3wxNXs

  In what can only be described as a win for truth, justice, and religious freedom (depending on who you ask ofcourse), the Paris Administrative Court has come to the defense of Jehovah’s Witnesses. On June 14, 2024, the court ruled that MIVILUDES, France’s government agency for monitoring cult-like behavior, had committed the heinous crime of defamation against Jehovah’s Witnesses.France unlike most other countries has an agency that monitors destructive cults and gets who is in their list: Jehovah’s Witnesses, I wonder why that is. So,how dare they accuse such a squeaky-clean group organisation! After all, it’s not like anyone has ever raised concerns about their handling of child abuse or their approach to education, right?
  MIVILUDES, in its misguided attempt to protect society, dared to publish reports between 2018 and 2020 that suggested Jehovah’s Witnesses might discourage child abuse reporting to secular authorities. They even had the audacity to claim that the group didn’t exactly encourage its younger members to pursue higher education. Clearly, MIVILUDES forgot who they were dealing with: an organization that insists they are always right, regardless of what the rest of the world might think.
  Naturally, Jehovah’s Witnesses were outraged at the mere suggestion that they might be anything less than paragons of virtue. So, they did what any wrongfully accused group would do – they sued for defamation. Because nothing says “we’re innocent” like dragging people to court.
  In a stunning twist of logic, the Paris Administrative Court agreed with Jehovah’s Witnesses, declaring that MIVILUDES’ claims were defamatory. According to the court, the agency relied on flimsy evidence, like reports from the Australian Royal Commission and cases in the U.S. Apparently, the fact that these issues were highlighted on other continents was irrelevant because, as we all know, child abuse and educational manipulation never cross borders.
  Jehovah’s Witnesses, of course, had their own pristine documents ready to prove they were law-abiding citizens. The court was impressed by their 2008 letter to the French Minister of Justice, where they so kindly reminded their members to report abuse in accordance with French law. So, that settles it. If they said they follow the law in a letter, it must be true. Case closed.
  MIVILUDES, clearly overstepping its bounds, claimed that Jehovah’s Witnesses encouraged members to handle serious offenses like child abuse internally. But according to the court, MIVILUDES failed to present enough “credible” evidence to support these claims in France. Apparently, three testimonies and a press article weren’t enough to prove that such a revered group would ever turn a blind eye to abuse. The fact that similar concerns have popped up in other countries is completely irrelevant.
  MIVILUDES also had the nerve to accuse Jehovah’s Witnesses of discouraging their young followers from pursuing long-term studies. The court, however, quickly dismissed this as outdated nonsense, citing that MIVILUDES’ evidence was based on publications from 1975 and beyond. Why should we pay attention to decades of past teachings when we can just pretend they never existed?
  Clearly, the court was not interested in holding Jehovah’s Witnesses accountable for anything that didn’t happen in the immediate past. After all, if no one has said anything recently about kids not going to college, it’s obviously not a problem.
  The Paris court was quick to remind MIVILUDES that, as a governmental body, it must adhere to “balance, impartiality, and neutrality” – something it apparently failed at spectacularly. In what seems like an enormous leap of faith, the court ruled that MIVILUDES had spread “erroneous” and “misleading” information about Jehovah’s Witnesses. As a result, the agency was ordered to delete the defamatory statements within 15 days. That’ll teach them for trying to protect vulnerable people!
  This legal triumph for Jehovah’s Witnesses will surely be celebrated as yet another example of Jehovah’s protection. How dare anyone suggest that their internal handling of abuse cases or their historical stance on education could be questionable? MIVILUDES, on the other hand, has been left with a harsh reminder that protecting people from potential harm must be done with airtight evidence — none of that “global pattern of behavior” nonsense, thank you very much.
  In the end, the ruling simply reaffirms that if you want to accuse a high-control religious group of wrongdoing, you’d better come prepared with something more solid than international reports and outdated concerns. Otherwise, you might just find yourself on the losing end of a defamation case. Because, of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses have never done anything wrong – at least not in the past few years in France.
  

  ARTICLE: https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2024/06/24/la-miviludes-condamnee-a-retirer-des-passages-d-un-de-ses-rapports-mettant-en-cause-les-temoins-de-jehovah_6243441_3224.html
  
  
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  Marcial--News and Update on Atlantis!

  by Atlantis in

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  news on the person you call (atlantis!).

  (before he came to simon's board he was called the twin, the crawler, the titan, the scanner, and many other names to hide his identity.

  he has never been caught and to this day the watchtower society has never known who he was.

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  He is a legend to the exjw community and will always be remembered for putting himself on the line to keep us informed.I wish more pimo elders would do 1% of what he did for us.
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  JWhub

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m an elder who is pima, i’m amazed how much info is available to all elders.

  you can see all private details of every member of the congregation.

  i wonder how these sisters feel about their private details being available to these creepy elders?.

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  Well that will be great Mike , I can't see how you can traced though